Which has a subsidiary question that is just as relevant:
Even if we did have free thought then is it of any consequence becasue our thoughts are REACTIVE.
This is a principle given to me by the former Pentagoner.
That which is in control causes the REACTION to THEIR ACTION.
Until that role is reversed then I find it difficult to even approach your question on whether our thoughts are free because even if we make a CHOICE ON HOW TO REACT - we are still REACTING and that means that our thoughts are influenced by outside power.
yes everything the Programmers do is to keep us in a state of reacting, rather than CREATING from our own potential. We operate from a place of need, and fear rather than a place of knowing and confidence.. there is no time to reflect, to imagine our own, to be critical, or well, thoughtful. Our thoughts are ego based rather than true knowledge based.
Deep down I think you KNOW...We know that there is a YOU, a real aware being that we call ME, or I, that does observe and from just these observations does Think from and for this self.
Doesn't our state then determine the behaviour of the 'Programmers'? Does that then not make us the ones in control of the Programmer's actions, making them react.
Or perhaps it doesn't start with anyone, and it is all a matter of interaction rather than action and reaction.
Peel it back this way: I haven't been able to garden for the past two years. The pharm chemicals prevent anything from germinating let alone growing.
I had to quit gardening. That was a Reaction.
I tried to learn how to detoxify the soil. That was a Reaction.
I couldn't bring charges of criminal chemical trespass because the State had already given PERMITS to do UNLAWFUL things to our life support system. My INACTION was a Reaction to the reality on the ground. Otherwise Exodus Directive would have been employed over a century earlier:
Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch (Sorcerer/Alkymyst) to live.
So we have the dominos of PAST ACTIONS by players with Evil Intent skewing the event cascade in favor of where THEY want it to go.
If we oppose it we might end up being terminated for interferring.
If we go with the flow then we are co-conspirators with the principles of the crime.
If we do nothing then that is tacit agreement that Evil will prevail.
I learned from a martial arts master: Hit a Hit. Kick a Kick.
We are currently immersed in the greatest whar that I have ever seen in history, so the ONLY response to whar is to bring them whar.
So solly prease! No mena leff. All Soy Boy Goy. No fytee fytee!
If you mean by "state" a condition of our mind or of our thinking, then to me, a RE ACT TION is a state or condition of RE ACTING something. So you are acting out what you were told to act out, you were acting over again what you experienced. You were re acting a condition that you bought into.
So if we are in a state of re ACTING.. then yes the Programmers NOW will know how to control us, by simply giving us situations, and conditioning us so that we RE ACT them, therefore allowing the continuation of those conditions by us giving our beliefs and energy to their programming.
To stand back and just observe is to NOT RE ACT the situation the Programmers have scripted.
Can you think of how you choose freely in any given moment?
If you can't make a list of your free choices that are not coming from a RE ACTING of something before.. then YEP, the programmers have control of you.
Free Will by the band Rush: "If you chose not to decide - you still have made a choice."
It is established in law that "Silence is consent"
My entire point is that in order to not be forced to react to everything from actions that were set in motion THOUSANDS of years ago, then the authors of those evil actions have to be erased from the pages of history because standing around just watching serves ONLY the programmers.
ACTION would be Seek and Dee Stroie.
A world of cowards would never pull that off which is why the Dante's Circle goes around for eternity.
The best way to play their game is not to play. We are in a simulation. The ego is under their control.. You are not the ego. Neil peart. Now he knew about frequency and walking to your own beat.haha . these guys dont you wonder where their genius comes from? Probably from the system of programmers.. Of course they are going to mislead us... And add their frequencies to control our minds and emotions.
I meant the overall condition of the collective humanity...sick, tired, greedy, dependent, lazy, strong, determined, ignorant, selfish, humble, intelligent, compassionate....all of it. I was only referring to the current state. An argument for interaction is not negated by the existence of inequity in outcomes or the likelihood that the state is shaped by the 'Programmer's' choices...it can still be perceived as an interaction irrespective of it being unjust or fraught with power imbalance.
Or maybe interaction is how we got here, but as our power is being chipped away at we are actually being slowly but surely edged out of any interaction at all.
That is how it feels to me. Edged out of belonging anywhere, where your existence is denied or starts to feel like an illusion. Invisible.
Until the sun shines, the guinea pigs graze, the magpies chatter, and a few people on the planet speak words that make sense. And you realise you are actually alive.
Which raises, an answer, one's reaction (ie all of Pats books and continuing works) creates, potentially billions of subsequent actions. Looks like there ain't that many actionaries doh.
Which, within this fractal, raises an acute sense of how, like in the novel 1984
"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. It's enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflection of the voice; at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet--!"
But again, the Proles have no knowledge of how things work even though they invite the feed into their every-moment existence.
The bullshit of Mass Action --
There were thousands to MILLIONS of people on the streets, they jerked off in front of government then went home satisifed.
The bullshit of 100th Monkey --
LEARNING about how we are being destroyed does NOTHING to stop the destruction.
The lessons of Viet Nam are that you can't prevail against Gorillas in the Mist.
The lessons of Iraq are that one guy with a cellphone and an Intra Uteran Device can equal 10 strangers with diapers under their helmets and all the tech in the world.
The lessons from every day life where: You Can't Herd Cats.
There need be no great rising. If everyone was acting chaotically then even the A.I. would have a hernia of the RAM memory tyring to catch up.
There's a lot that the Proles don't know. (or, as you point out: DO!)
Protocol 10:10 last portion.....Then it was that the era of republics become possible of realization; and then it was that we replaced the ruler by a caricature of a government-by a president, taken from the mob, from the midst of our puppet creatures, or slaves(Biden Drumpf Bush sr jr Soetoro Clinton FDR etc) This was the foundation of the mine which we have laid under the GOY people, I should rather say the GOY peoples....thy commentary on page 74 of your elders of szion.....They just said that the military commander in chief of the occupations, the very commandants of the prison camps(usa) are nothing but slave puppets given a title called president. This ranks them among the goy, NOT the lesser brethren, not the most trusted brethren, not the ELDERS, and definitely not the Archons(bugs) at the top of the shitheap......$9.52 for thy book elders of szion, a widow's mite, a paltry sum for the BOOK of books, thou most hard one, from that pissedmarked state of SION ILLI
the big question is... Do we have free thought?
Which has a subsidiary question that is just as relevant:
Even if we did have free thought then is it of any consequence becasue our thoughts are REACTIVE.
This is a principle given to me by the former Pentagoner.
That which is in control causes the REACTION to THEIR ACTION.
Until that role is reversed then I find it difficult to even approach your question on whether our thoughts are free because even if we make a CHOICE ON HOW TO REACT - we are still REACTING and that means that our thoughts are influenced by outside power.
yes everything the Programmers do is to keep us in a state of reacting, rather than CREATING from our own potential. We operate from a place of need, and fear rather than a place of knowing and confidence.. there is no time to reflect, to imagine our own, to be critical, or well, thoughtful. Our thoughts are ego based rather than true knowledge based.
Deep down I think you KNOW...We know that there is a YOU, a real aware being that we call ME, or I, that does observe and from just these observations does Think from and for this self.
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Doesn't our state then determine the behaviour of the 'Programmers'? Does that then not make us the ones in control of the Programmer's actions, making them react.
Or perhaps it doesn't start with anyone, and it is all a matter of interaction rather than action and reaction.
You mean: Like the State of ILL Annoyed?
The State of Confusion?
Peel it back this way: I haven't been able to garden for the past two years. The pharm chemicals prevent anything from germinating let alone growing.
I had to quit gardening. That was a Reaction.
I tried to learn how to detoxify the soil. That was a Reaction.
I couldn't bring charges of criminal chemical trespass because the State had already given PERMITS to do UNLAWFUL things to our life support system. My INACTION was a Reaction to the reality on the ground. Otherwise Exodus Directive would have been employed over a century earlier:
Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch (Sorcerer/Alkymyst) to live.
So we have the dominos of PAST ACTIONS by players with Evil Intent skewing the event cascade in favor of where THEY want it to go.
If we oppose it we might end up being terminated for interferring.
If we go with the flow then we are co-conspirators with the principles of the crime.
If we do nothing then that is tacit agreement that Evil will prevail.
I learned from a martial arts master: Hit a Hit. Kick a Kick.
We are currently immersed in the greatest whar that I have ever seen in history, so the ONLY response to whar is to bring them whar.
So solly prease! No mena leff. All Soy Boy Goy. No fytee fytee!
If you mean by "state" a condition of our mind or of our thinking, then to me, a RE ACT TION is a state or condition of RE ACTING something. So you are acting out what you were told to act out, you were acting over again what you experienced. You were re acting a condition that you bought into.
So if we are in a state of re ACTING.. then yes the Programmers NOW will know how to control us, by simply giving us situations, and conditioning us so that we RE ACT them, therefore allowing the continuation of those conditions by us giving our beliefs and energy to their programming.
To stand back and just observe is to NOT RE ACT the situation the Programmers have scripted.
Can you think of how you choose freely in any given moment?
If you can't make a list of your free choices that are not coming from a RE ACTING of something before.. then YEP, the programmers have control of you.
Free Will by the band Rush: "If you chose not to decide - you still have made a choice."
It is established in law that "Silence is consent"
My entire point is that in order to not be forced to react to everything from actions that were set in motion THOUSANDS of years ago, then the authors of those evil actions have to be erased from the pages of history because standing around just watching serves ONLY the programmers.
ACTION would be Seek and Dee Stroie.
A world of cowards would never pull that off which is why the Dante's Circle goes around for eternity.
The best way to play their game is not to play. We are in a simulation. The ego is under their control.. You are not the ego. Neil peart. Now he knew about frequency and walking to your own beat.haha . these guys dont you wonder where their genius comes from? Probably from the system of programmers.. Of course they are going to mislead us... And add their frequencies to control our minds and emotions.
What did I mean by 'our state'?
I meant the overall condition of the collective humanity...sick, tired, greedy, dependent, lazy, strong, determined, ignorant, selfish, humble, intelligent, compassionate....all of it. I was only referring to the current state. An argument for interaction is not negated by the existence of inequity in outcomes or the likelihood that the state is shaped by the 'Programmer's' choices...it can still be perceived as an interaction irrespective of it being unjust or fraught with power imbalance.
Or maybe interaction is how we got here, but as our power is being chipped away at we are actually being slowly but surely edged out of any interaction at all.
That is how it feels to me. Edged out of belonging anywhere, where your existence is denied or starts to feel like an illusion. Invisible.
Until the sun shines, the guinea pigs graze, the magpies chatter, and a few people on the planet speak words that make sense. And you realise you are actually alive.
That's what I thought, but I needed to know.
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Begs the question...who is so free that their action is not a reaction? Is it anyone?
Which raises, an answer, one's reaction (ie all of Pats books and continuing works) creates, potentially billions of subsequent actions. Looks like there ain't that many actionaries doh.
Which, within this fractal, raises an acute sense of how, like in the novel 1984
"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. It's enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflection of the voice; at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet--!"
But again, the Proles have no knowledge of how things work even though they invite the feed into their every-moment existence.
The bullshit of Mass Action --
There were thousands to MILLIONS of people on the streets, they jerked off in front of government then went home satisifed.
The bullshit of 100th Monkey --
LEARNING about how we are being destroyed does NOTHING to stop the destruction.
The lessons of Viet Nam are that you can't prevail against Gorillas in the Mist.
The lessons of Iraq are that one guy with a cellphone and an Intra Uteran Device can equal 10 strangers with diapers under their helmets and all the tech in the world.
The lessons from every day life where: You Can't Herd Cats.
There need be no great rising. If everyone was acting chaotically then even the A.I. would have a hernia of the RAM memory tyring to catch up.
There's a lot that the Proles don't know. (or, as you point out: DO!)
cheers my friend.
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Protocol 10:10 last portion.....Then it was that the era of republics become possible of realization; and then it was that we replaced the ruler by a caricature of a government-by a president, taken from the mob, from the midst of our puppet creatures, or slaves(Biden Drumpf Bush sr jr Soetoro Clinton FDR etc) This was the foundation of the mine which we have laid under the GOY people, I should rather say the GOY peoples....thy commentary on page 74 of your elders of szion.....They just said that the military commander in chief of the occupations, the very commandants of the prison camps(usa) are nothing but slave puppets given a title called president. This ranks them among the goy, NOT the lesser brethren, not the most trusted brethren, not the ELDERS, and definitely not the Archons(bugs) at the top of the shitheap......$9.52 for thy book elders of szion, a widow's mite, a paltry sum for the BOOK of books, thou most hard one, from that pissedmarked state of SION ILLI
This was why Fran Zetta and I came up with the Master of Puppets with all of the marrionettes having the heads of presidents and 'leaders' of nations.
As they used to say in the military: Expendable.
Usefull Idiots alá Bez men ov style.